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2) In you world does ones experiences affect your choices?
Now, if moral obligation presupposes free will, then if we lack free will we lack moral obligations. Nothing is right and nothing is right.
However, it is quite obvious that some things are wrong. it is MORE obvious that some things are wrong than that free will is incompatible with determinism, or indeterminism. Thus it is more obvious that we have free will than that we do not. Any argument - ANY - argument against free will is therefore going to contain a premise that is less plausible than its negation . That means ALL arguments against free will fail.
So what are our moral beliefs 'about'? What is that 'moral' experience that we all have and that we refer to using moral terms? In other words, what is it like to sense that something is 'right' or 'wrong'?
So to claim that belief X is ABOUT P, is NOT, NOT NOT NOT NOT the claim that belief X was CAUSED by P.
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Once again, pay careful attention to what premise 1 actually says. It makes a claim about what our beliefs are ABOUT. It does not make a claim about what causes them (it is NOT the claim that God causes them) nor does it make a claim about any function they might usefully perform.
So Nanonash's comments are just completely irrelevant. He might as well have told me how many bedrooms his house has, or his favourite colour.
To assess the plausibility of premise 1 (and that's all we're doing at the moment) we must look to our moral experience - to what it is actually like to sense that something is 'wrong' - and we must describe that sensation.
Why are we doing this? Well, becuase you can only possibly assess whether a belief is true or false AFTER you have established what the belief is ABOUT.