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	AbuKhamr \| February 27, 2008 DCD, why not also provide me with a 'breakdown' definition of the word "sometimes"? It seems to me that Jerome's statement is fairly clear: sometimes (but not always!) he was not fully certain as to what a specific Hebrew word or phrase meant. I see no problem there. What is your point? Jerome, the man, did not always fully understand the Hebrew texts before him, therefore there really are no vowels in Hebrew other than 'a' or 'i'? In all seriousness, please explain in more detail how you consider this relevant to the discussion.
	DieCrackerDie \| February 27, 2008 It's not, but Abu I see that truly you are devil inspired, with your notion of double talking, did you know that when Saint Jerome translated the Bible into Latin from Hebrew mentioned that his translation from the Hebrew was sometimes based on conjecture? " It's no wonder Saint Jerome (340?-420), who published the Latin Vulgate version of the Bible, admitted: "When we translate the Hebrew into Latin, we are sometimes guided by conjecture."" He lived during the time of your so called inspired translators of the Hebrew Dialect, yet and all one who was esteemed highly in the RCC doctrine was quoted as saying he translated based on conjecture, which means to throw together; " from com- "together" + jacere "to throw."
	AbuKhamr \| February 27, 2008 DCD, I do doubt Ahrayah's claims about the Tetragrammaton, but that is a more contentious issue than, for example, the phrases covered in the video. Consider an example you could have gleaned from my own posts: I think Ahrayah's claims about Hebrew are false, but if he said Zecharia's name should be written Zacharyah, I wouldn't dispute that. As for Saint Jerome, I'm not very well versed in his writings, but I will say that I enjoyed much of his that I did read, but not all of it (e.g. Jerome was, at a certain point in his life, critical of, or hostile to, the full canonicity of books like Sirach, Wisdom, Tobit, Judith and the 2 books of Macabees, which I disagree with).
	DieCrackerDie \| February 27, 2008 If you say Ahrayah's claims are false, why would the Tetragrammaton be correct? You're speaking in circles! Now let me ask you a serious question, do you hold the teachings of Saint Jerome dear to you?
	AbuKhamr \| February 27, 2008 DCD, to clarify, let me offer the point that saying that Ahrayah's claims about Lashawan Qadash are false is not the same as endorsing a specific pronunciation for the Tetragrammaton. So, for example, saying that there are actually 'o' and 'e' sounds in Hebrew does not mean that that the Jehovah's Witnesses' pronunciation therefore wins by default. Criticism of LQ is a general subject, while the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton is a different, more specified sub-topic (e.g. I'm sure you agree there are men who would dispute LQ, yet not agree with one another on how to pronounce the Tetragrammaton).
	DieCrackerDie \| February 27, 2008 Come on Abu, if you argue about the pronunciation of the L.Q. you argue about the pronunciation of theTetragrammaton, that's how you are acting like the devil. The Arabic is comprised of Hebrew and Greek, that's where you get those ee's and oo's from, Ishmael never spoke this dialect! As for the name Zachar how can you plausibly argue the pronunciation within the paradigm of Hebrew if there are no certain records according to you of the pronunciation of the Archaic Hebrew? Just conjectures!
	AbuKhamr \| February 27, 2008 DCD, how was I "acting like the Devil"? I was merely clarifying: the video on LQ never specifically argued about the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, but rather about LQ in general (e.g. the claim that the the only vowels are 'a' and 'i', the tsade is pronounced TaZa, etc). As for the name Zacharyah, I have no problem with that pronunciation. For example, in Arabic there are 'oo' and 'ee' sounds, but that doesn't mean that every single Arabic name has to employ them. So too with Hebrew names. While most side with Zechar or Z'char for that name, it can be plausibly argued, within the paradigm of Hebrew, that the verb was in the 3rd person, perfect, singular, hence Zachar.
	DieCrackerDie \| February 27, 2008 Come on Abu, now you're acting like the Devil, all Tak and yourself have been doing is nit picking at any little thing taught by GMS, to try and debunk the truth that is so VEHEMENTLY brought out week after week regardless of any obstacle, I will say this to you Abu, I honestly hope for your sake that you are an Israelite, because then and only then will you truly receive salvation, otherwise you will go into slavery under us the TRUE ISRAELITES! Rev.2;26-27, Rev.13;9-10. Zacharyah ? Are you serious? if the pronunciation of the Hebrew has these ee,u,o,oo, as you and Tak claim, what happened to Zacharyah's name, where are the e's,o's,oo's.u's, at?
	AbuKhamr \| February 27, 2008 DCD, TruthAfterKnowledge is not persecuting Tahar's camp, nor were we picking a fight specifically over the proper pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. The subject was about Lashawan Qadash in general, and the evidence for and against it. Truth After Knowledge presented a video offering the evidence against LQ. By the way, what I wrote here about how I, personally, pronounce the Tetragrammaton, is not necessarily representative of TAK's official position on that subject (analogous to how you will see me defending Iszo's belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary, as I believe that too, but that is NOT an official position of TAK). For TAK's stance on the Tetragrammaton, you might be better served to ask on the main page, or Zacharyah specifically.
	DieCrackerDie \| February 27, 2008 So if the pronunciation you chose to believe is what you side with and you can't say for certain that this is the proper pronunciation, then why do you and Tak choose to persecute GMS for the belief in the pronunciation of the L.Q. which the HOLY SPIRIT revealed to Ahrayah, would that not make you and Tak hypocrites?
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	AbuKhamr \| February 27, 2008 DCD, why not also provide me with a 'breakdown' definition of the word "sometimes"? It seems to me that Jerome's statement is fairly clear: sometimes (but not always!) he was not fully certain as to what a specific Hebrew word or phrase meant. I see no problem there. What is your point? Jerome, the man, did not always fully understand the Hebrew texts before him, therefore there really are no vowels in Hebrew other than 'a' or 'i'? In all seriousness, please explain in more detail how you consider this relevant to the discussion.
	DieCrackerDie \| February 27, 2008 It's not, but Abu I see that truly you are devil inspired, with your notion of double talking, did you know that when Saint Jerome translated the Bible into Latin from Hebrew mentioned that his translation from the Hebrew was sometimes based on conjecture? " It's no wonder Saint Jerome (340?-420), who published the Latin Vulgate version of the Bible, admitted: "When we translate the Hebrew into Latin, we are sometimes guided by conjecture."" He lived during the time of your so called inspired translators of the Hebrew Dialect, yet and all one who was esteemed highly in the RCC doctrine was quoted as saying he translated based on conjecture, which means to throw together; " from com- "together" + jacere "to throw."
	AbuKhamr \| February 27, 2008 DCD, I do doubt Ahrayah's claims about the Tetragrammaton, but that is a more contentious issue than, for example, the phrases covered in the video. Consider an example you could have gleaned from my own posts: I think Ahrayah's claims about Hebrew are false, but if he said Zecharia's name should be written Zacharyah, I wouldn't dispute that. As for Saint Jerome, I'm not very well versed in his writings, but I will say that I enjoyed much of his that I did read, but not all of it (e.g. Jerome was, at a certain point in his life, critical of, or hostile to, the full canonicity of books like Sirach, Wisdom, Tobit, Judith and the 2 books of Macabees, which I disagree with).
	DieCrackerDie \| February 27, 2008 If you say Ahrayah's claims are false, why would the Tetragrammaton be correct? You're speaking in circles! Now let me ask you a serious question, do you hold the teachings of Saint Jerome dear to you?
	AbuKhamr \| February 27, 2008 DCD, to clarify, let me offer the point that saying that Ahrayah's claims about Lashawan Qadash are false is not the same as endorsing a specific pronunciation for the Tetragrammaton. So, for example, saying that there are actually 'o' and 'e' sounds in Hebrew does not mean that that the Jehovah's Witnesses' pronunciation therefore wins by default. Criticism of LQ is a general subject, while the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton is a different, more specified sub-topic (e.g. I'm sure you agree there are men who would dispute LQ, yet not agree with one another on how to pronounce the Tetragrammaton).
	DieCrackerDie \| February 27, 2008 Come on Abu, if you argue about the pronunciation of the L.Q. you argue about the pronunciation of theTetragrammaton, that's how you are acting like the devil. The Arabic is comprised of Hebrew and Greek, that's where you get those ee's and oo's from, Ishmael never spoke this dialect! As for the name Zachar how can you plausibly argue the pronunciation within the paradigm of Hebrew if there are no certain records according to you of the pronunciation of the Archaic Hebrew? Just conjectures!
	AbuKhamr \| February 27, 2008 DCD, how was I "acting like the Devil"? I was merely clarifying: the video on LQ never specifically argued about the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, but rather about LQ in general (e.g. the claim that the the only vowels are 'a' and 'i', the tsade is pronounced TaZa, etc). As for the name Zacharyah, I have no problem with that pronunciation. For example, in Arabic there are 'oo' and 'ee' sounds, but that doesn't mean that every single Arabic name has to employ them. So too with Hebrew names. While most side with Zechar or Z'char for that name, it can be plausibly argued, within the paradigm of Hebrew, that the verb was in the 3rd person, perfect, singular, hence Zachar.
	DieCrackerDie \| February 27, 2008 Come on Abu, now you're acting like the Devil, all Tak and yourself have been doing is nit picking at any little thing taught by GMS, to try and debunk the truth that is so VEHEMENTLY brought out week after week regardless of any obstacle, I will say this to you Abu, I honestly hope for your sake that you are an Israelite, because then and only then will you truly receive salvation, otherwise you will go into slavery under us the TRUE ISRAELITES! Rev.2;26-27, Rev.13;9-10. Zacharyah ? Are you serious? if the pronunciation of the Hebrew has these ee,u,o,oo, as you and Tak claim, what happened to Zacharyah's name, where are the e's,o's,oo's.u's, at?
	AbuKhamr \| February 27, 2008 DCD, TruthAfterKnowledge is not persecuting Tahar's camp, nor were we picking a fight specifically over the proper pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. The subject was about Lashawan Qadash in general, and the evidence for and against it. Truth After Knowledge presented a video offering the evidence against LQ. By the way, what I wrote here about how I, personally, pronounce the Tetragrammaton, is not necessarily representative of TAK's official position on that subject (analogous to how you will see me defending Iszo's belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary, as I believe that too, but that is NOT an official position of TAK). For TAK's stance on the Tetragrammaton, you might be better served to ask on the main page, or Zacharyah specifically.
	DieCrackerDie \| February 27, 2008 So if the pronunciation you chose to believe is what you side with and you can't say for certain that this is the proper pronunciation, then why do you and Tak choose to persecute GMS for the belief in the pronunciation of the L.Q. which the HOLY SPIRIT revealed to Ahrayah, would that not make you and Tak hypocrites?
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