I don't necessarily disagree with dfpolis' structuring of laws to the foundation of self-definition; I just don't see that said foundational self-definition level necessarily represents a creator.

You're right about Shiz and others like him, but then again, we all tend to borrow a lot from one another in our own personal search for truth and enlightenment. The pieces that we find that fit, we keep; the ones that don't, we discard or lay aside.

Just thought I'd point out that Shizzleman's claims about needing laws for nature is a complete lift from the below video by dfpolis.

youtu(*dot*)be/XJUIxaSDfU0

Demonstrates yet again that most Creationist arguments are simply a regurgitation of what other Creationists tell them. Very few of them think for themselves.

Very well. Since you can't address points in a coherent manner and avoid a moronic level of impertinence, you can sully someone else's channel. Byebye!

1) No one ever said the universe had to come from "nothing". That's simply a mind game that silly people like you want to play with words to self-affirm your own bias.
2) Nothing says the universe, coming from something, implies that the something is intelligent, a "god", or whatever you want to call it.
3) You don't have any evidence that other universes don't exist. In fact, several cosmological theories specify that other universes most likely *DO* exist, before, after, and at the same time as our own.
4) My worth here or in reality is irrelevant to the points I make. I don't have to be anybody "worth" anything to posit truth and isolate error. The message >>> the messenger.
5) I don't "hate". I abhor. Learn the difference.
6) Lastly, just as a reminder, I AM NOT AN ATHEIST.

Hi, I like what you said on potholers. I often send friend invites to those who oppose Shizzleman8's bullying and idiocy. I won't take it personally if you refuse. Just wanted to show so support.

What are you blathering about? If you can't speak coherently, then do everyone a favor and don't speak at all.

Last chance. Be brief, be bright, or be gone.